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Identifying the interval from A♭ to D♯


General procedure for determining the name of an interval given a major key / diatonic collectionWhy is music theory built so tightly around the C Major scale?Common Practice Music Theory - Easier method to memorize 4-part harmony doubling rules?Essential things to memorize in music theoryUsing the correct enharmonic equivalentWhat is the interval from C double flat to E double sharp called?Roman Numeral AnalysisWhat interval is from G♭ to A♯ (same octave)?Is a Major Interval the same as a Pure Interval?Does chord type(major or minor) remains the same for common chord progressions irrespective of any mode or scale?













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This is a very theoretical question but it's confusing me a little.



So intervals overlap - That's why I can call a major 3rd a diminished 4th, and such.



However, from what I understand, a perfect 5th only overlaps with a diminished 6th. You cannot refer to a 7 semitone interval using a 4th because the "biggest" fourth, augmented fourth, is a diminished 5th.



So consider this (treble clef):



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What would you call the interval here? From what I understand it should be called a 4th because of the distance between the notes. But that's impossible.










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    This is a very theoretical question but it's confusing me a little.



    So intervals overlap - That's why I can call a major 3rd a diminished 4th, and such.



    However, from what I understand, a perfect 5th only overlaps with a diminished 6th. You cannot refer to a 7 semitone interval using a 4th because the "biggest" fourth, augmented fourth, is a diminished 5th.



    So consider this (treble clef):



    enter image description here



    What would you call the interval here? From what I understand it should be called a 4th because of the distance between the notes. But that's impossible.










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      This is a very theoretical question but it's confusing me a little.



      So intervals overlap - That's why I can call a major 3rd a diminished 4th, and such.



      However, from what I understand, a perfect 5th only overlaps with a diminished 6th. You cannot refer to a 7 semitone interval using a 4th because the "biggest" fourth, augmented fourth, is a diminished 5th.



      So consider this (treble clef):



      enter image description here



      What would you call the interval here? From what I understand it should be called a 4th because of the distance between the notes. But that's impossible.










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      This is a very theoretical question but it's confusing me a little.



      So intervals overlap - That's why I can call a major 3rd a diminished 4th, and such.



      However, from what I understand, a perfect 5th only overlaps with a diminished 6th. You cannot refer to a 7 semitone interval using a 4th because the "biggest" fourth, augmented fourth, is a diminished 5th.



      So consider this (treble clef):



      enter image description here



      What would you call the interval here? From what I understand it should be called a 4th because of the distance between the notes. But that's impossible.







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          You're correct; it should be called a fourth!



          But since "augmented fourth" won't be big enough for this, we kind of had to make up a term, and the world of music theory collectively decided upon calling this interval a doubly augmented fourth. This just means that it's one half step larger than an augmented fourth. (As such, the augmented fourth is not really the "biggest" fourth possible.)



          The same is true for diminished intervals; a half step smaller than a diminished sixth will be a doubly diminished sixth.



          Any interval can overlap with (or, in more theoretical terms, "be enharmonic to") another interval. A perfect fifth could, in theory, be enharmonic to a triply augmented third—not that you'll encounter those very often!






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          You're correct; it should be called a fourth!



          But since "augmented fourth" won't be big enough for this, we kind of had to make up a term, and the world of music theory collectively decided upon calling this interval a doubly augmented fourth. This just means that it's one half step larger than an augmented fourth. (As such, the augmented fourth is not really the "biggest" fourth possible.)



          The same is true for diminished intervals; a half step smaller than a diminished sixth will be a doubly diminished sixth.



          Any interval can overlap with (or, in more theoretical terms, "be enharmonic to") another interval. A perfect fifth could, in theory, be enharmonic to a triply augmented third—not that you'll encounter those very often!






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          • This is the best way to explain doubly-augmented intervals I've heard. +1!

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          You're correct; it should be called a fourth!



          But since "augmented fourth" won't be big enough for this, we kind of had to make up a term, and the world of music theory collectively decided upon calling this interval a doubly augmented fourth. This just means that it's one half step larger than an augmented fourth. (As such, the augmented fourth is not really the "biggest" fourth possible.)



          The same is true for diminished intervals; a half step smaller than a diminished sixth will be a doubly diminished sixth.



          Any interval can overlap with (or, in more theoretical terms, "be enharmonic to") another interval. A perfect fifth could, in theory, be enharmonic to a triply augmented third—not that you'll encounter those very often!






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          • This is the best way to explain doubly-augmented intervals I've heard. +1!

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          You're correct; it should be called a fourth!



          But since "augmented fourth" won't be big enough for this, we kind of had to make up a term, and the world of music theory collectively decided upon calling this interval a doubly augmented fourth. This just means that it's one half step larger than an augmented fourth. (As such, the augmented fourth is not really the "biggest" fourth possible.)



          The same is true for diminished intervals; a half step smaller than a diminished sixth will be a doubly diminished sixth.



          Any interval can overlap with (or, in more theoretical terms, "be enharmonic to") another interval. A perfect fifth could, in theory, be enharmonic to a triply augmented third—not that you'll encounter those very often!






          share|improve this answer















          You're correct; it should be called a fourth!



          But since "augmented fourth" won't be big enough for this, we kind of had to make up a term, and the world of music theory collectively decided upon calling this interval a doubly augmented fourth. This just means that it's one half step larger than an augmented fourth. (As such, the augmented fourth is not really the "biggest" fourth possible.)



          The same is true for diminished intervals; a half step smaller than a diminished sixth will be a doubly diminished sixth.



          Any interval can overlap with (or, in more theoretical terms, "be enharmonic to") another interval. A perfect fifth could, in theory, be enharmonic to a triply augmented third—not that you'll encounter those very often!







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