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Do regular languages belong to Space(1)?



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I was wondering, if we take some regular language, will it be in Space(1)?



For a regular language X, for instance, we can construct an equivalent NFA that matches strings in the regular language.



But I cannot see why is X in Space(1).



If it is true, why is X or any other regular language in Space(1)?










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    I was wondering, if we take some regular language, will it be in Space(1)?



    For a regular language X, for instance, we can construct an equivalent NFA that matches strings in the regular language.



    But I cannot see why is X in Space(1).



    If it is true, why is X or any other regular language in Space(1)?










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      I was wondering, if we take some regular language, will it be in Space(1)?



      For a regular language X, for instance, we can construct an equivalent NFA that matches strings in the regular language.



      But I cannot see why is X in Space(1).



      If it is true, why is X or any other regular language in Space(1)?










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      I was wondering, if we take some regular language, will it be in Space(1)?



      For a regular language X, for instance, we can construct an equivalent NFA that matches strings in the regular language.



      But I cannot see why is X in Space(1).



      If it is true, why is X or any other regular language in Space(1)?







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          A regular expression can be transformed into an NFA as you say. And an NFA can be transformed into a DFA. This latter transformation is exponential in the worst case (in terms of the size of the original NFA), but that is irrelevant. The amount of time this transformation takes is independent from the size of the input, and is thus $O(1)$.



          Similarly, the size of this DFA is also independent from the size of the input, so storing it takes $O(1)$ space. No further space is needed other than the DFA, and thus a recognizer for a regular expression can run in $O(1)$ space.






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            Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
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            The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
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          A regular expression can be transformed into an NFA as you say. And an NFA can be transformed into a DFA. This latter transformation is exponential in the worst case (in terms of the size of the original NFA), but that is irrelevant. The amount of time this transformation takes is independent from the size of the input, and is thus $O(1)$.



          Similarly, the size of this DFA is also independent from the size of the input, so storing it takes $O(1)$ space. No further space is needed other than the DFA, and thus a recognizer for a regular expression can run in $O(1)$ space.






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          • $begingroup$
            Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
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          • $begingroup$
            The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
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          $begingroup$

          A regular expression can be transformed into an NFA as you say. And an NFA can be transformed into a DFA. This latter transformation is exponential in the worst case (in terms of the size of the original NFA), but that is irrelevant. The amount of time this transformation takes is independent from the size of the input, and is thus $O(1)$.



          Similarly, the size of this DFA is also independent from the size of the input, so storing it takes $O(1)$ space. No further space is needed other than the DFA, and thus a recognizer for a regular expression can run in $O(1)$ space.






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            Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
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          • $begingroup$
            The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
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            – jasonharper
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          A regular expression can be transformed into an NFA as you say. And an NFA can be transformed into a DFA. This latter transformation is exponential in the worst case (in terms of the size of the original NFA), but that is irrelevant. The amount of time this transformation takes is independent from the size of the input, and is thus $O(1)$.



          Similarly, the size of this DFA is also independent from the size of the input, so storing it takes $O(1)$ space. No further space is needed other than the DFA, and thus a recognizer for a regular expression can run in $O(1)$ space.






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          A regular expression can be transformed into an NFA as you say. And an NFA can be transformed into a DFA. This latter transformation is exponential in the worst case (in terms of the size of the original NFA), but that is irrelevant. The amount of time this transformation takes is independent from the size of the input, and is thus $O(1)$.



          Similarly, the size of this DFA is also independent from the size of the input, so storing it takes $O(1)$ space. No further space is needed other than the DFA, and thus a recognizer for a regular expression can run in $O(1)$ space.







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          • $begingroup$
            Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
            $endgroup$
            – hps13
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
            $endgroup$
            – jasonharper
            13 mins ago
















          • $begingroup$
            Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
            $endgroup$
            – hps13
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
            $endgroup$
            – jasonharper
            13 mins ago















          $begingroup$
          Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
          $endgroup$
          – hps13
          29 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          Is there a formal proof to that? it is easier for me to understand it as a process of "convincing". why is the amount of time the transformation takes is independent from the input? and why is the size of the obtained DFA is independent from the size of the input?
          $endgroup$
          – hps13
          29 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
          $endgroup$
          – jasonharper
          13 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          The NFA->DFA transformation doesn't even refer to the input (it's purely an operation on the language itself), so how could the input size matter?
          $endgroup$
          – jasonharper
          13 mins ago

















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