Unexpected result from ArcLengthDetermining which rule NIntegrate selects automaticallyFinding minimum fly-by radius between Mars and spacecraft from interpolating functionCoarse-graining in numerical integrationsNIntegrate fails to converge around a value out of integration rangeA 1D numerical integral Mathematica cannot compute, from physicsDifferential Equation with Numerically Integrated Boundary ConditionsDifferents results of the intersection area between two regions when using the function “Area” and the function “NIntegrate”Issue with boundary Integration of FEM numerical solution (interpolation function)How to get the most accurate volume of a special solid?Numerical solution of 3 dim integral with singularity
Life insurance that covers only simultaneous/dual deaths
A sequence that has integer values for prime indexes only:
Happy pi day, everyone!
Official degrees of earth’s rotation per day
What is this large pipe coming out of my roof?
Time travel from stationary position?
Audio processing. Is it possible to directly access the decoded audio data going into the analog input of a computer
Unexpected result from ArcLength
If I can solve Sudoku can I solve Travelling Salesman Problem(TSP)? If yes, how?
How Could an Airship Be Repaired Mid-Flight
Use void Apex method in Lightning Web Component
How to change two letters closest to a string and one letter immediately after a string using notepad++
How to simplify this time periods definition interface?
Why doesn't using two cd commands in bash script execute the second command?
How does the Sleep spell interact with the Aspect of the Moon eldritch invocation?
My Graph Theory Students
How do I hide Chekhov's Gun?
How to make healing in an exploration game interesting
Instead of Universal Basic Income, why not Universal Basic NEEDS?
How to write cleanly even if my character uses expletive language?
Hacking a Safe Lock after 3 tries
how to write formula in word in latex
Look at your watch and tell me what time is it. vs Look at your watch and tell me what time it is
A limit with limit zero everywhere must be zero somewhere
Unexpected result from ArcLength
Determining which rule NIntegrate selects automaticallyFinding minimum fly-by radius between Mars and spacecraft from interpolating functionCoarse-graining in numerical integrationsNIntegrate fails to converge around a value out of integration rangeA 1D numerical integral Mathematica cannot compute, from physicsDifferential Equation with Numerically Integrated Boundary ConditionsDifferents results of the intersection area between two regions when using the function “Area” and the function “NIntegrate”Issue with boundary Integration of FEM numerical solution (interpolation function)How to get the most accurate volume of a special solid?Numerical solution of 3 dim integral with singularity
$begingroup$
I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: x(t),y(t) = cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p $ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.
I set up the following function of $p$:
L[p_] := ArcLength[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2,
Method -> "NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20]
For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.
For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).
Plotting, results in the following:
Plot[L[p], p, 0, 1]

Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0
numerical-integration
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: x(t),y(t) = cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p $ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.
I set up the following function of $p$:
L[p_] := ArcLength[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2,
Method -> "NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20]
For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.
For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).
Plotting, results in the following:
Plot[L[p], p, 0, 1]

Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0
numerical-integration
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
I get a warning fromNIntegrate("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluateLfor smallp.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluatingL[1/100]
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: x(t),y(t) = cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p $ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.
I set up the following function of $p$:
L[p_] := ArcLength[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2,
Method -> "NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20]
For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.
For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).
Plotting, results in the following:
Plot[L[p], p, 0, 1]

Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0
numerical-integration
$endgroup$
I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: x(t),y(t) = cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p $ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.
I set up the following function of $p$:
L[p_] := ArcLength[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2,
Method -> "NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20]
For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.
For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).
Plotting, results in the following:
Plot[L[p], p, 0, 1]

Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0
numerical-integration
numerical-integration
edited 56 mins ago
Henrik Schumacher
56.6k577156
56.6k577156
asked 1 hour ago
IvanIvan
1,612821
1,612821
1
$begingroup$
I get a warning fromNIntegrate("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluateLfor smallp.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluatingL[1/100]
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
I get a warning fromNIntegrate("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluateLfor smallp.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluatingL[1/100]
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
I get a warning from
NIntegrate ("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluate L for small p.$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I get a warning from
NIntegrate ("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluate L for small p.$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluating
L[1/100]$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluating
L[1/100]$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Manipulate[ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2], p, 0.01, 1]
gives this plot at $p=0.01$:
(An unpreprocessing plot was here.)
Yes, looks to be approaching two sides of a square, but the sides are shrinking!
UPDATE:
p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> 0, 1.1, 0, 1.1]

So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is theArcLength[]returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
|
show 9 more comments
$begingroup$
I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.
The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed. You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).
Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Since the maximal curvature in of curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.
n = 10000;
pts = Transpose[Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]];
L[p_] := With[x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), 1., 1.], p],
Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, 1., 1.]]]
]
Plot[L[p], p, 0.001, 1]

$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Seems to be a precision thing.
L[p_] = Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p
ArcLength[L[1/100], t, 0, π/2, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]
1.99447959240474567...
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
);
);
, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "387"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmathematica.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f193346%2funexpected-result-from-arclength%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Manipulate[ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2], p, 0.01, 1]
gives this plot at $p=0.01$:
(An unpreprocessing plot was here.)
Yes, looks to be approaching two sides of a square, but the sides are shrinking!
UPDATE:
p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> 0, 1.1, 0, 1.1]

So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is theArcLength[]returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
|
show 9 more comments
$begingroup$
Manipulate[ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2], p, 0.01, 1]
gives this plot at $p=0.01$:
(An unpreprocessing plot was here.)
Yes, looks to be approaching two sides of a square, but the sides are shrinking!
UPDATE:
p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> 0, 1.1, 0, 1.1]

So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is theArcLength[]returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
|
show 9 more comments
$begingroup$
Manipulate[ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2], p, 0.01, 1]
gives this plot at $p=0.01$:
(An unpreprocessing plot was here.)
Yes, looks to be approaching two sides of a square, but the sides are shrinking!
UPDATE:
p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> 0, 1.1, 0, 1.1]

So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...
$endgroup$
Manipulate[ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2], p, 0.01, 1]
gives this plot at $p=0.01$:
(An unpreprocessing plot was here.)
Yes, looks to be approaching two sides of a square, but the sides are shrinking!
UPDATE:
p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p, t, 0, Pi/2, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> 0, 1.1, 0, 1.1]

So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...
edited 1 hour ago
answered 1 hour ago
mjwmjw
5779
5779
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is theArcLength[]returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
|
show 9 more comments
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is theArcLength[]returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
>but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but this does not seem to answer the OP's question. Try including smaller values of $p$.
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
2
2
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
$endgroup$
– mjw
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the
ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the
ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...$endgroup$
– mjw
54 mins ago
|
show 9 more comments
$begingroup$
I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.
The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed. You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).
Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Since the maximal curvature in of curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.
n = 10000;
pts = Transpose[Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]];
L[p_] := With[x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), 1., 1.], p],
Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, 1., 1.]]]
]
Plot[L[p], p, 0.001, 1]

$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.
The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed. You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).
Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Since the maximal curvature in of curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.
n = 10000;
pts = Transpose[Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]];
L[p_] := With[x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), 1., 1.], p],
Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, 1., 1.]]]
]
Plot[L[p], p, 0.001, 1]

$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.
The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed. You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).
Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Since the maximal curvature in of curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.
n = 10000;
pts = Transpose[Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]];
L[p_] := With[x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), 1., 1.], p],
Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, 1., 1.]]]
]
Plot[L[p], p, 0.001, 1]

$endgroup$
I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.
The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed. You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).
Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Since the maximal curvature in of curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.
n = 10000;
pts = Transpose[Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]];
L[p_] := With[x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), 1., 1.], p],
Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, 1., 1.]]]
]
Plot[L[p], p, 0.001, 1]

edited 1 hour ago
answered 1 hour ago
Henrik SchumacherHenrik Schumacher
56.6k577156
56.6k577156
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Seems to be a precision thing.
L[p_] = Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p
ArcLength[L[1/100], t, 0, π/2, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]
1.99447959240474567...
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Seems to be a precision thing.
L[p_] = Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p
ArcLength[L[1/100], t, 0, π/2, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]
1.99447959240474567...
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Seems to be a precision thing.
L[p_] = Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p
ArcLength[L[1/100], t, 0, π/2, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]
1.99447959240474567...
$endgroup$
Seems to be a precision thing.
L[p_] = Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p
ArcLength[L[1/100], t, 0, π/2, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]
1.99447959240474567...
answered 34 mins ago
Bill WattsBill Watts
3,4811620
3,4811620
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematica Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmathematica.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f193346%2funexpected-result-from-arclength%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
1
$begingroup$
I get a warning from
NIntegrate("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluateLfor smallp.$endgroup$
– MarcoB
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluating
L[1/100]$endgroup$
– Ivan
1 hour ago