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End-of-life vs. end-of-support vs. moving of repositories
Are existing updates available after end of support?What day in April will Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Server be scheduled for end of lifeWill LTS releases continue to have old binaries and libraries after its end of life?BeerorKid repositories doesn't workWhat is the difference between pre- and post- pathingUnable to install Wine on Ubuntu 14.04How to track the Internet connectivity of two PCs simultaneously using a script?Should I proceed with the 1404_HWE_EOL?How to get BOINC Manager to work — broken by recent updateHow do I force a key release event for fn+arrows (home,end,pgup,pgdn)
So, I am still using 14.04 at the moment and I know that end-of-support is coming at the end of this month unless you have extended security maintenance (which I don't).
However, I am a bit confused as to what exactly will happen. Searching online, I have seen two terms floating around: end-of-support and end-of-life. From what I can tell, both are different from what Canonical means when they refer to a release's lifespan. The trouble I have is telling if there is a difference between the two. Some pages I read treat them interchangeably while others do not. Some posts I have read use end-of-life to refer to when the repositories get moved/archived; thus preventing things such as the auto-update from working.
Regardless of which is which, when does the Ubuntu repository get archived? There doesn't seem to be a mention of that on the information page and the online posts I found simply mention that it happens, not when.
14.04 repository release-management
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So, I am still using 14.04 at the moment and I know that end-of-support is coming at the end of this month unless you have extended security maintenance (which I don't).
However, I am a bit confused as to what exactly will happen. Searching online, I have seen two terms floating around: end-of-support and end-of-life. From what I can tell, both are different from what Canonical means when they refer to a release's lifespan. The trouble I have is telling if there is a difference between the two. Some pages I read treat them interchangeably while others do not. Some posts I have read use end-of-life to refer to when the repositories get moved/archived; thus preventing things such as the auto-update from working.
Regardless of which is which, when does the Ubuntu repository get archived? There doesn't seem to be a mention of that on the information page and the online posts I found simply mention that it happens, not when.
14.04 repository release-management
edited 1 hour ago
Zanna
51.1k13138242
asked 6 hours ago
Andrew ShumAndrew Shum
14713
for starters it's end-April (not end of March), so it's end of next month. There is no set date when the archives get moved to old-releases; for 17.04 it occurred within 96 hours as I recall; however usually it's week(s) (and usually later for LTS releases). All documentation is vague other than specifying it won't occur until after EOL has occurred (meaning they can do it when they can). There was a reason why 17.04 was done very quickly, and I can't see that happening with 14.04 LTS (12.04 LTS would be your best example of what to expect; or 17.10 if you can't remember that far back).
– guiverc
6 hours ago
See also: wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
– oldfred
6 hours ago
In theory when 14.04 hits EOL; if you never runsudo apt update && sudo apt upgradeagain, you'll never have a new problem.
– WinEunuuchs2Unix
5 hours ago
add a comment |
So, I am still using 14.04 at the moment and I know that end-of-support is coming at the end of this month unless you have extended security maintenance (which I don't).
However, I am a bit confused as to what exactly will happen. Searching online, I have seen two terms floating around: end-of-support and end-of-life. From what I can tell, both are different from what Canonical means when they refer to a release's lifespan. The trouble I have is telling if there is a difference between the two. Some pages I read treat them interchangeably while others do not. Some posts I have read use end-of-life to refer to when the repositories get moved/archived; thus preventing things such as the auto-update from working.
Regardless of which is which, when does the Ubuntu repository get archived? There doesn't seem to be a mention of that on the information page and the online posts I found simply mention that it happens, not when.
14.04 repository release-management
edited 1 hour ago
Zanna
51.1k13138242
asked 6 hours ago
Andrew ShumAndrew Shum
14713
So, I am still using 14.04 at the moment and I know that end-of-support is coming at the end of this month unless you have extended security maintenance (which I don't).
However, I am a bit confused as to what exactly will happen. Searching online, I have seen two terms floating around: end-of-support and end-of-life. From what I can tell, both are different from what Canonical means when they refer to a release's lifespan. The trouble I have is telling if there is a difference between the two. Some pages I read treat them interchangeably while others do not. Some posts I have read use end-of-life to refer to when the repositories get moved/archived; thus preventing things such as the auto-update from working.
Regardless of which is which, when does the Ubuntu repository get archived? There doesn't seem to be a mention of that on the information page and the online posts I found simply mention that it happens, not when.
14.04 repository release-management
14.04 repository release-management
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for starters it's end-April (not end of March), so it's end of next month. There is no set date when the archives get moved to old-releases; for 17.04 it occurred within 96 hours as I recall; however usually it's week(s) (and usually later for LTS releases). All documentation is vague other than specifying it won't occur until after EOL has occurred (meaning they can do it when they can). There was a reason why 17.04 was done very quickly, and I can't see that happening with 14.04 LTS (12.04 LTS would be your best example of what to expect; or 17.10 if you can't remember that far back).
– guiverc
6 hours ago
See also: wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
– oldfred
6 hours ago
In theory when 14.04 hits EOL; if you never runsudo apt update && sudo apt upgradeagain, you'll never have a new problem.
– WinEunuuchs2Unix
5 hours ago
add a comment |
for starters it's end-April (not end of March), so it's end of next month. There is no set date when the archives get moved to old-releases; for 17.04 it occurred within 96 hours as I recall; however usually it's week(s) (and usually later for LTS releases). All documentation is vague other than specifying it won't occur until after EOL has occurred (meaning they can do it when they can). There was a reason why 17.04 was done very quickly, and I can't see that happening with 14.04 LTS (12.04 LTS would be your best example of what to expect; or 17.10 if you can't remember that far back).
– guiverc
6 hours ago
See also: wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
– oldfred
6 hours ago
In theory when 14.04 hits EOL; if you never runsudo apt update && sudo apt upgradeagain, you'll never have a new problem.
– WinEunuuchs2Unix
5 hours ago
for starters it's end-April (not end of March), so it's end of next month. There is no set date when the archives get moved to old-releases; for 17.04 it occurred within 96 hours as I recall; however usually it's week(s) (and usually later for LTS releases). All documentation is vague other than specifying it won't occur until after EOL has occurred (meaning they can do it when they can). There was a reason why 17.04 was done very quickly, and I can't see that happening with 14.04 LTS (12.04 LTS would be your best example of what to expect; or 17.10 if you can't remember that far back).
– guiverc
6 hours ago
for starters it's end-April (not end of March), so it's end of next month. There is no set date when the archives get moved to old-releases; for 17.04 it occurred within 96 hours as I recall; however usually it's week(s) (and usually later for LTS releases). All documentation is vague other than specifying it won't occur until after EOL has occurred (meaning they can do it when they can). There was a reason why 17.04 was done very quickly, and I can't see that happening with 14.04 LTS (12.04 LTS would be your best example of what to expect; or 17.10 if you can't remember that far back).
– guiverc
6 hours ago
See also: wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
– oldfred
6 hours ago
See also: wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
– oldfred
6 hours ago
In theory when 14.04 hits EOL; if you never run
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade again, you'll never have a new problem.– WinEunuuchs2Unix
5 hours ago
In theory when 14.04 hits EOL; if you never run
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade again, you'll never have a new problem.– WinEunuuchs2Unix
5 hours ago
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Ubuntu 12.04 LTS had 5 years of supported life, so 5 years will not be reached until at least 17-April-2018 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases or https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html) and many pages say it's not till end-of-month or 30-April-2019.
Many pages will tell you that when a release reaches EOL, after this date archives will be moved from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, it'll be country mirrors will drop the release, and mirrors also will drop it. If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors you can get a glimpse of how up-to-date mirrors are, some are listed as 'last date unknown' (too long ago for counter) which means they could be much later in dropping the archives.
The best example of how fast it'll occur would be 12.04 LTS reaching EOL. It took months as I recall for it's archives to be moved, which is a huge contrast to 17.04 which took in comparison only hours. LTS releases are usually slower in moving, but without a set date you shouldn't rely on it.
It's easy to change your references to archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com (dropping any country code if you use it; eg. au.archive.ubuntu.com becomes old-releases.ubuntu.com too). If you are fully up-to-date before this move occurs though, I would expect a do-release-upgrade to be able to work anyway (I haven't tested it though), it gets far more complex if the next release (16.04 LTS) is EOL though.
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Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
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Ubuntu 12.04 LTS had 5 years of supported life, so 5 years will not be reached until at least 17-April-2018 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases or https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html) and many pages say it's not till end-of-month or 30-April-2019.
Many pages will tell you that when a release reaches EOL, after this date archives will be moved from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, it'll be country mirrors will drop the release, and mirrors also will drop it. If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors you can get a glimpse of how up-to-date mirrors are, some are listed as 'last date unknown' (too long ago for counter) which means they could be much later in dropping the archives.
The best example of how fast it'll occur would be 12.04 LTS reaching EOL. It took months as I recall for it's archives to be moved, which is a huge contrast to 17.04 which took in comparison only hours. LTS releases are usually slower in moving, but without a set date you shouldn't rely on it.
It's easy to change your references to archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com (dropping any country code if you use it; eg. au.archive.ubuntu.com becomes old-releases.ubuntu.com too). If you are fully up-to-date before this move occurs though, I would expect a do-release-upgrade to be able to work anyway (I haven't tested it though), it gets far more complex if the next release (16.04 LTS) is EOL though.
edited 5 hours ago
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answered 5 hours ago
guivercguiverc
5,02121623
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS had 5 years of supported life, so 5 years will not be reached until at least 17-April-2018 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases or https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html) and many pages say it's not till end-of-month or 30-April-2019.
Many pages will tell you that when a release reaches EOL, after this date archives will be moved from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, it'll be country mirrors will drop the release, and mirrors also will drop it. If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors you can get a glimpse of how up-to-date mirrors are, some are listed as 'last date unknown' (too long ago for counter) which means they could be much later in dropping the archives.
The best example of how fast it'll occur would be 12.04 LTS reaching EOL. It took months as I recall for it's archives to be moved, which is a huge contrast to 17.04 which took in comparison only hours. LTS releases are usually slower in moving, but without a set date you shouldn't rely on it.
It's easy to change your references to archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com (dropping any country code if you use it; eg. au.archive.ubuntu.com becomes old-releases.ubuntu.com too). If you are fully up-to-date before this move occurs though, I would expect a do-release-upgrade to be able to work anyway (I haven't tested it though), it gets far more complex if the next release (16.04 LTS) is EOL though.
edited 5 hours ago
fitojb
1,83911330
answered 5 hours ago
guivercguiverc
5,02121623
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS had 5 years of supported life, so 5 years will not be reached until at least 17-April-2018 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases or https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html) and many pages say it's not till end-of-month or 30-April-2019.
Many pages will tell you that when a release reaches EOL, after this date archives will be moved from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, it'll be country mirrors will drop the release, and mirrors also will drop it. If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors you can get a glimpse of how up-to-date mirrors are, some are listed as 'last date unknown' (too long ago for counter) which means they could be much later in dropping the archives.
The best example of how fast it'll occur would be 12.04 LTS reaching EOL. It took months as I recall for it's archives to be moved, which is a huge contrast to 17.04 which took in comparison only hours. LTS releases are usually slower in moving, but without a set date you shouldn't rely on it.
It's easy to change your references to archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com (dropping any country code if you use it; eg. au.archive.ubuntu.com becomes old-releases.ubuntu.com too). If you are fully up-to-date before this move occurs though, I would expect a do-release-upgrade to be able to work anyway (I haven't tested it though), it gets far more complex if the next release (16.04 LTS) is EOL though.
edited 5 hours ago
fitojb
1,83911330
answered 5 hours ago
guivercguiverc
5,02121623
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS had 5 years of supported life, so 5 years will not be reached until at least 17-April-2018 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases or https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html) and many pages say it's not till end-of-month or 30-April-2019.
Many pages will tell you that when a release reaches EOL, after this date archives will be moved from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, it'll be country mirrors will drop the release, and mirrors also will drop it. If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors you can get a glimpse of how up-to-date mirrors are, some are listed as 'last date unknown' (too long ago for counter) which means they could be much later in dropping the archives.
The best example of how fast it'll occur would be 12.04 LTS reaching EOL. It took months as I recall for it's archives to be moved, which is a huge contrast to 17.04 which took in comparison only hours. LTS releases are usually slower in moving, but without a set date you shouldn't rely on it.
It's easy to change your references to archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com (dropping any country code if you use it; eg. au.archive.ubuntu.com becomes old-releases.ubuntu.com too). If you are fully up-to-date before this move occurs though, I would expect a do-release-upgrade to be able to work anyway (I haven't tested it though), it gets far more complex if the next release (16.04 LTS) is EOL though.
edited 5 hours ago
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1,83911330
answered 5 hours ago
guivercguiverc
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fitojb
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fitojb
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fitojb
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guivercguiverc
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answered 5 hours ago
guivercguiverc
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5,02121623
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
5 hours ago
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
5 hours ago
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (5 year support) will live on as Ubuntu 14.04 ESM (5+2minimum life span). 14.04 ESM is not a different product, if you pay for ESM you get a package that adds the ability to update from ESM repositories, which is just extending the 5 years for payment (ubuntu.com/esm) I suspect it's this variable-length-life-span that has confused you, as it's 5 years but .... 14.04 LTS will be EOL, but 14.04 users who switched will still get support via 14.04 ESM so Ubuntu 14.04 will still have support, but not here as 14.04 LTS is EOL.
– guiverc
5 hours ago
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for starters it's end-April (not end of March), so it's end of next month. There is no set date when the archives get moved to old-releases; for 17.04 it occurred within 96 hours as I recall; however usually it's week(s) (and usually later for LTS releases). All documentation is vague other than specifying it won't occur until after EOL has occurred (meaning they can do it when they can). There was a reason why 17.04 was done very quickly, and I can't see that happening with 14.04 LTS (12.04 LTS would be your best example of what to expect; or 17.10 if you can't remember that far back).
– guiverc
6 hours ago
See also: wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
– oldfred
6 hours ago
In theory when 14.04 hits EOL; if you never run
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgradeagain, you'll never have a new problem.– WinEunuuchs2Unix
5 hours ago