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Can elves maintain concentration in a trance?


Is 4 hours long enough for a long rest for Elves and Warforged?Must 5e elves take a long rest?Can You Concentrate Through a Long Rest?Does an elf's daily trance require 4 consecutive hours?Is 4 hours long enough for a long rest for Elves and Warforged?How perceptive are trancing elves?What happens if you don't sleep?Must 5e elves take a long rest?How long can you expect to maintain Concentration during combat?What does “dreaming after a fashion” imply?How does elves' trance affect time spent for XGE's long rest crafting rules?Does an elf's daily trance require 4 consecutive hours?Can an elf warlock with the Aspect of the Moon eldritch invocation still trance?Can a character maintain concentration on a readied spell after being affected by the Feeblemind spell?













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Following the question Must 5e elves take a long rest? and LegendaryDude's suggestion, I wanted to further elaborate on the benefits elvish trance has while adventuring.



In the PHB 5e, there's a note that says:




Elves don't need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining
semiconscious, for 4 hours a day (The Common word for such meditation
is "trance."). While meditating, you can dream after a fashion; such
dreams are actually mental exercises that have become reflexive
through years of practice. After resting in this way, you gain the
same benefit that a human does from 8 hours of sleep.




To further clarify, meditation is defined as:




think deeply or focus one's mind for a period of time, in silence or
with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a
method of relaxation.




Combining those two definitions, I'm understanding that elves take 4 hours out of their day to block out the world around them, focusing intensely on either something or nothing... Either maintaining an unwavering concentration on one topic or allowing stray thoughts to pass through them, giving them dreams.



If this understanding is accurate, would that suggest that while in a trance, an elf can maintain a spell that requires their concentration to keep up?




Example:



Your party takes heed to their position. After a long and perilous journey, the cult leader is just beyond the doors, yet your party is down to half strength, at best, and exhausted. Having overheard a guard mention that the leader was not to be disturbed for the next eight hours, you decide it's best to take the cautionary path and rest for at least 4 of those hours, allowing everyone to recharge and prepare for what you expect is going to be a tough fight.



As a measure of precaution, your party takes up base in a small corridor, sealing one side with the spell mold earth while your elven wizard casts an illusionary spell on the other to hide your presence.



Note: In this situation, the idea is that the spell can be maintained while the elf uses trance to gain full benefits as if rested for 8 hours.










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    Hmm, I need to go poking around, but I could have sworn we have an answer to this somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    5 hours ago






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    Related on Can you concentrate through a long rest?
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @KorvinStarmast Sorry if I missed it.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Since I can't find it, maybe that's me thinking of a forum discussion elsewhere
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @András though I am not proficient with the illusion spells, the first one I found in PHB is Control Weather, which is a concentration spell lasting up to 8 hours.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago















12












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Following the question Must 5e elves take a long rest? and LegendaryDude's suggestion, I wanted to further elaborate on the benefits elvish trance has while adventuring.



In the PHB 5e, there's a note that says:




Elves don't need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining
semiconscious, for 4 hours a day (The Common word for such meditation
is "trance."). While meditating, you can dream after a fashion; such
dreams are actually mental exercises that have become reflexive
through years of practice. After resting in this way, you gain the
same benefit that a human does from 8 hours of sleep.




To further clarify, meditation is defined as:




think deeply or focus one's mind for a period of time, in silence or
with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a
method of relaxation.




Combining those two definitions, I'm understanding that elves take 4 hours out of their day to block out the world around them, focusing intensely on either something or nothing... Either maintaining an unwavering concentration on one topic or allowing stray thoughts to pass through them, giving them dreams.



If this understanding is accurate, would that suggest that while in a trance, an elf can maintain a spell that requires their concentration to keep up?




Example:



Your party takes heed to their position. After a long and perilous journey, the cult leader is just beyond the doors, yet your party is down to half strength, at best, and exhausted. Having overheard a guard mention that the leader was not to be disturbed for the next eight hours, you decide it's best to take the cautionary path and rest for at least 4 of those hours, allowing everyone to recharge and prepare for what you expect is going to be a tough fight.



As a measure of precaution, your party takes up base in a small corridor, sealing one side with the spell mold earth while your elven wizard casts an illusionary spell on the other to hide your presence.



Note: In this situation, the idea is that the spell can be maintained while the elf uses trance to gain full benefits as if rested for 8 hours.










share|improve this question











$endgroup$











  • $begingroup$
    Hmm, I need to go poking around, but I could have sworn we have an answer to this somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Related on Can you concentrate through a long rest?
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @KorvinStarmast Sorry if I missed it.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Since I can't find it, maybe that's me thinking of a forum discussion elsewhere
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @András though I am not proficient with the illusion spells, the first one I found in PHB is Control Weather, which is a concentration spell lasting up to 8 hours.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago













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Following the question Must 5e elves take a long rest? and LegendaryDude's suggestion, I wanted to further elaborate on the benefits elvish trance has while adventuring.



In the PHB 5e, there's a note that says:




Elves don't need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining
semiconscious, for 4 hours a day (The Common word for such meditation
is "trance."). While meditating, you can dream after a fashion; such
dreams are actually mental exercises that have become reflexive
through years of practice. After resting in this way, you gain the
same benefit that a human does from 8 hours of sleep.




To further clarify, meditation is defined as:




think deeply or focus one's mind for a period of time, in silence or
with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a
method of relaxation.




Combining those two definitions, I'm understanding that elves take 4 hours out of their day to block out the world around them, focusing intensely on either something or nothing... Either maintaining an unwavering concentration on one topic or allowing stray thoughts to pass through them, giving them dreams.



If this understanding is accurate, would that suggest that while in a trance, an elf can maintain a spell that requires their concentration to keep up?




Example:



Your party takes heed to their position. After a long and perilous journey, the cult leader is just beyond the doors, yet your party is down to half strength, at best, and exhausted. Having overheard a guard mention that the leader was not to be disturbed for the next eight hours, you decide it's best to take the cautionary path and rest for at least 4 of those hours, allowing everyone to recharge and prepare for what you expect is going to be a tough fight.



As a measure of precaution, your party takes up base in a small corridor, sealing one side with the spell mold earth while your elven wizard casts an illusionary spell on the other to hide your presence.



Note: In this situation, the idea is that the spell can be maintained while the elf uses trance to gain full benefits as if rested for 8 hours.










share|improve this question











$endgroup$




Following the question Must 5e elves take a long rest? and LegendaryDude's suggestion, I wanted to further elaborate on the benefits elvish trance has while adventuring.



In the PHB 5e, there's a note that says:




Elves don't need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining
semiconscious, for 4 hours a day (The Common word for such meditation
is "trance."). While meditating, you can dream after a fashion; such
dreams are actually mental exercises that have become reflexive
through years of practice. After resting in this way, you gain the
same benefit that a human does from 8 hours of sleep.




To further clarify, meditation is defined as:




think deeply or focus one's mind for a period of time, in silence or
with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a
method of relaxation.




Combining those two definitions, I'm understanding that elves take 4 hours out of their day to block out the world around them, focusing intensely on either something or nothing... Either maintaining an unwavering concentration on one topic or allowing stray thoughts to pass through them, giving them dreams.



If this understanding is accurate, would that suggest that while in a trance, an elf can maintain a spell that requires their concentration to keep up?




Example:



Your party takes heed to their position. After a long and perilous journey, the cult leader is just beyond the doors, yet your party is down to half strength, at best, and exhausted. Having overheard a guard mention that the leader was not to be disturbed for the next eight hours, you decide it's best to take the cautionary path and rest for at least 4 of those hours, allowing everyone to recharge and prepare for what you expect is going to be a tough fight.



As a measure of precaution, your party takes up base in a small corridor, sealing one side with the spell mold earth while your elven wizard casts an illusionary spell on the other to hide your presence.



Note: In this situation, the idea is that the spell can be maintained while the elf uses trance to gain full benefits as if rested for 8 hours.







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    Hmm, I need to go poking around, but I could have sworn we have an answer to this somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Related on Can you concentrate through a long rest?
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @KorvinStarmast Sorry if I missed it.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Since I can't find it, maybe that's me thinking of a forum discussion elsewhere
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @András though I am not proficient with the illusion spells, the first one I found in PHB is Control Weather, which is a concentration spell lasting up to 8 hours.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    Hmm, I need to go poking around, but I could have sworn we have an answer to this somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Related on Can you concentrate through a long rest?
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @KorvinStarmast Sorry if I missed it.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Since I can't find it, maybe that's me thinking of a forum discussion elsewhere
    $endgroup$
    – KorvinStarmast
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @András though I am not proficient with the illusion spells, the first one I found in PHB is Control Weather, which is a concentration spell lasting up to 8 hours.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago















$begingroup$
Hmm, I need to go poking around, but I could have sworn we have an answer to this somewhere.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
5 hours ago




$begingroup$
Hmm, I need to go poking around, but I could have sworn we have an answer to this somewhere.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
5 hours ago




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Related on Can you concentrate through a long rest?
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Related on Can you concentrate through a long rest?
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– NautArch
5 hours ago












$begingroup$
@KorvinStarmast Sorry if I missed it.
$endgroup$
– Victor B
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
@KorvinStarmast Sorry if I missed it.
$endgroup$
– Victor B
4 hours ago












$begingroup$
Since I can't find it, maybe that's me thinking of a forum discussion elsewhere
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
Since I can't find it, maybe that's me thinking of a forum discussion elsewhere
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
4 hours ago












$begingroup$
@András though I am not proficient with the illusion spells, the first one I found in PHB is Control Weather, which is a concentration spell lasting up to 8 hours.
$endgroup$
– Victor B
4 hours ago




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@András though I am not proficient with the illusion spells, the first one I found in PHB is Control Weather, which is a concentration spell lasting up to 8 hours.
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Elves are able to maintain concentration during a long rest if they use their Trance trait.



Concentration is only broken by:




Casting another spell that requires concentration. You lose concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires concentration. You can't concentrate on two spells at once.



Taking damage. Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.



Being incapacitated or killed. You lose concentration on a spell if you are incapacitated or if you die.




As of you've quoted above, an elf under their trance doesn't tick any of those boxes. They are not casting another spell that requires concentration, they are not taking damage, and they are not incapacitated because they aren't unconscious (they are just semi-conscious.)



The key is in not getting incapacitated.



Trance states (my emphasis):




Elves don’t need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining semiconscious, for 4 hours a day.




A sleeping creature is unconscious and breaks concentration because of that. Trance specifically states you are only semiconscious, so you do not be unconscious or incapacitated - letting you maintain your concentration through your 4 hour trance.



Designer support



Everything lines up, but for those looking for some designer thoughts, Jeremy Crawford has stated:




No rule prevents an elf from concentrating while using the Trance trait.







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    The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










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    @VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
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    – NautArch
    4 hours ago










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    You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
    $endgroup$
    – Grosscol
    4 hours ago







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    @Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
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    Related on the issue of long rest trance time
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    – NautArch
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Yes



Elves are able to maintain concentration during a long rest if they use their Trance trait.



Concentration is only broken by:




Casting another spell that requires concentration. You lose concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires concentration. You can't concentrate on two spells at once.



Taking damage. Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.



Being incapacitated or killed. You lose concentration on a spell if you are incapacitated or if you die.




As of you've quoted above, an elf under their trance doesn't tick any of those boxes. They are not casting another spell that requires concentration, they are not taking damage, and they are not incapacitated because they aren't unconscious (they are just semi-conscious.)



The key is in not getting incapacitated.



Trance states (my emphasis):




Elves don’t need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining semiconscious, for 4 hours a day.




A sleeping creature is unconscious and breaks concentration because of that. Trance specifically states you are only semiconscious, so you do not be unconscious or incapacitated - letting you maintain your concentration through your 4 hour trance.



Designer support



Everything lines up, but for those looking for some designer thoughts, Jeremy Crawford has stated:




No rule prevents an elf from concentrating while using the Trance trait.







share|improve this answer











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  • $begingroup$
    The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
    $endgroup$
    – Grosscol
    4 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Related on the issue of long rest trance time
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago















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Yes



Elves are able to maintain concentration during a long rest if they use their Trance trait.



Concentration is only broken by:




Casting another spell that requires concentration. You lose concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires concentration. You can't concentrate on two spells at once.



Taking damage. Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.



Being incapacitated or killed. You lose concentration on a spell if you are incapacitated or if you die.




As of you've quoted above, an elf under their trance doesn't tick any of those boxes. They are not casting another spell that requires concentration, they are not taking damage, and they are not incapacitated because they aren't unconscious (they are just semi-conscious.)



The key is in not getting incapacitated.



Trance states (my emphasis):




Elves don’t need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining semiconscious, for 4 hours a day.




A sleeping creature is unconscious and breaks concentration because of that. Trance specifically states you are only semiconscious, so you do not be unconscious or incapacitated - letting you maintain your concentration through your 4 hour trance.



Designer support



Everything lines up, but for those looking for some designer thoughts, Jeremy Crawford has stated:




No rule prevents an elf from concentrating while using the Trance trait.







share|improve this answer











$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
    $endgroup$
    – Grosscol
    4 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Related on the issue of long rest trance time
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago













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12





$begingroup$

Yes



Elves are able to maintain concentration during a long rest if they use their Trance trait.



Concentration is only broken by:




Casting another spell that requires concentration. You lose concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires concentration. You can't concentrate on two spells at once.



Taking damage. Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.



Being incapacitated or killed. You lose concentration on a spell if you are incapacitated or if you die.




As of you've quoted above, an elf under their trance doesn't tick any of those boxes. They are not casting another spell that requires concentration, they are not taking damage, and they are not incapacitated because they aren't unconscious (they are just semi-conscious.)



The key is in not getting incapacitated.



Trance states (my emphasis):




Elves don’t need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining semiconscious, for 4 hours a day.




A sleeping creature is unconscious and breaks concentration because of that. Trance specifically states you are only semiconscious, so you do not be unconscious or incapacitated - letting you maintain your concentration through your 4 hour trance.



Designer support



Everything lines up, but for those looking for some designer thoughts, Jeremy Crawford has stated:




No rule prevents an elf from concentrating while using the Trance trait.







share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Yes



Elves are able to maintain concentration during a long rest if they use their Trance trait.



Concentration is only broken by:




Casting another spell that requires concentration. You lose concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires concentration. You can't concentrate on two spells at once.



Taking damage. Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.



Being incapacitated or killed. You lose concentration on a spell if you are incapacitated or if you die.




As of you've quoted above, an elf under their trance doesn't tick any of those boxes. They are not casting another spell that requires concentration, they are not taking damage, and they are not incapacitated because they aren't unconscious (they are just semi-conscious.)



The key is in not getting incapacitated.



Trance states (my emphasis):




Elves don’t need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining semiconscious, for 4 hours a day.




A sleeping creature is unconscious and breaks concentration because of that. Trance specifically states you are only semiconscious, so you do not be unconscious or incapacitated - letting you maintain your concentration through your 4 hour trance.



Designer support



Everything lines up, but for those looking for some designer thoughts, Jeremy Crawford has stated:




No rule prevents an elf from concentrating while using the Trance trait.








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    The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










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    @VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
    $endgroup$
    – Grosscol
    4 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Related on the issue of long rest trance time
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
    $endgroup$
    – Victor B
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
    $endgroup$
    – Grosscol
    4 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Related on the issue of long rest trance time
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago















$begingroup$
The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
$endgroup$
– Victor B
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
The thought is that sleep can render you incapacitated and as trance is expressed as "the equivalent to 8 hours of sleep", newer players might be curious.
$endgroup$
– Victor B
4 hours ago












$begingroup$
@VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
@VictorB The difference maker is in the line about semi-conscious. I'll highlight that.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
4 hours ago












$begingroup$
You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
4 hours ago





$begingroup$
You should note that elves still need 8 hours to get a long rest despite only having to meditate for 4 of those 8 (instead of 6hrs of sleep for other races). So the elf would NOT get the benefit of a long rest in 4 hours as implied at the bottom of the question.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
4 hours ago





1




1




$begingroup$
@Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Grosscol wasn't that changed in errata?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
4 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
Related on the issue of long rest trance time
$endgroup$
– NautArch
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
Related on the issue of long rest trance time
$endgroup$
– NautArch
4 hours ago

















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